Corpora Issues

[Jolly]

Please post here any errors you may have spotted. Please post if it is a typo or clarification. Thank you

[Mono]

Hello everyone!  Miss me?  Ok, on to business.

1)The page numbering is off.  IE Monarchy actually starts on 8, but is listed as starting on 9.

2)Salt War

3)King and PM specific duties listed under the general monarchy duties.

I haven't had a really good look at the overall corpora... but I'll show you what I'm doing with this section for the Kingdom of Crystal Groves Corpora...

Article II: Offices of the Kingdom
   2.1    General Information
      2.11 The offices of Monarch, Regent, Prime Minister, Champion and Guildmaster of Reeves are known collectively as “The Monarchy”.
      2.12 A complete term of office lasts for six months.
      2.13 All officers must be at least 18 years old.
                2.131 Champions of Baronies and Shires may be at least 16 years old.
      2.14 No person may hold more than one office of the monarchy during the same term.
      2.15 No person may hold the same position in the same group more than two terms in a row.
      2.16 All officers must be full members of their home park.
      2.17 Shall descend from office if they miss more than four weeks in a row or six weeks total counting attendance anywhere in the Kingdom, Kingdom events or inter-kingdom events.
      2.18 Members of the Monarchy are not required to pay any dues during their term.
   2.2 Monarch
      2.21 General Monarch
      2.211 Will have the power to break ties at Althings except those that he or she is directly    involved in.  In such cases the Prime Minister will break ties.
      2.2111 Monarch’s or Prime Minister’s vote shall be cast prior to the tallying of the votes.  In the case of a tie, the tie-breaking vote is the Monarch’s or Prime Minister’s vote as already cast; that vote may not be changed after the results have been tallied.
      2.212 Shall preside over all ceremonies, Althings and functions for the Kingdom or park.
      2.213 Shall hold an automatic seat on their group’s BOD during his or her term.
      2.214 Monarchs may bestow honors and awards to members of their group as per their group’s status.
      2.2141 Shall solicit a list of proposed recipients of awards not less than 30 days before Mid-reign or coronation.
      2.2142 Awards and honors may never be given to members of other kingdoms without the permission of the monarch of that kingdom.
      2.215 Shall ensure the publication of a calendar of all events within 30 days of their coronation.
      2.216 Is responsible for Public relations and Amtgard’s interaction with mundania. This includes but is not necessarily limited to:
                2.2161 Recruiting
                2.2162 Speaking to interested passersbys, or delegating someone to, as required to maintain a good image in the community
                2.2163 Dealing with Police, Rangers and whatever other forms of mundane authority need to be addressed.
      2.22 Kingdom Monarch (King/Queen)
      2.221 May award the following honors at his or her discretion:
                2.2211 All titles of nobility
                2.2212 Peerage (The four orders of Knighthood as defined in the Amtgard Rules of Play)
                2.2213 All Ladder and Non-Ladder Awards as defined in the Amtgard Rules of Play
                2.2214 Masterhood as defined in the Amtgard Rules of Play
                2.2215 Masterhood of Non-Ladder Awards
                2.2216 Class Masterhoods and Masterhood in the Reeves Guild
                2.2217 May create new honors, awards, and titles in keeping with his or her office.
                2.222 May receive the title of Duke/Duchess (or Grand Duke/Duchess for serving two or more terms as Kingdom Monarch) after his or her term is over based on good and valuable service in the position.
      2.23 Grand Duchy (Grand Duke/Duchess)
      2.231 May award the following honors:
                2.2311 Noble and Non-noble titles up to and including Baronet.
                2.2312 All Ladder and Non-Ladder Awards as defined in the Amtgard Rules of Play up to and    including the 9th level
                2.2313 Class Masterhoods
                2.2314 May create new honors, awards, and titles in keeping with their office
                2.232 May receive the title of Baron after their term is over based on good and valuable service in the position.
                2.24 Duchy (Duke/Duchess)
                2.241 May award the following honors:
                2. 2411 All Ladder and Non-Ladder Awards as defined in the Amtgard Rules of Play up to and   including the 8th level
                2.2412 May create new honors, awards, and titles in keeping with his or her office
                2.242 May receive the title of Baron after their term is over based on good and valuable service in the position.
                2.25 Barony (Baron/Baroness)
                2.251 May award the following honors:
                2.2511 All Ladder and Non-Ladder Awards as defined in the Amtgard Rules of Play up to and    including the 5th level
                2.2512 May create new honors, awards, and titles in keeping with his or her office
                2.252 May receive the title of Baronet after their term is over based on good and valuable service in the position.
      2.26 Shire (Sheriff)
      2.261 May award the following honors:
                2.2611 All Ladder and Non-Ladder Awards as defined in the Amtgard Rules of Play up to and    including the 3rd level
                2.2612 May create new honors, awards, and titles in keeping with his or her office
                2.262 May receive the title of Lord/Lady after their term is over based on good and valuable service in the position.

[Striker]

Posted by: "sluggachoppa" Gangrel_35@hotmail.com   sluggachoppa


Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:27 am (PDT)



5.2.2.5.1. May award all Ladder Awards as defined by the Amtgard Rules of Play and all Non-Ladder Awards as defined in Section 11 up to the Third Order.
The Sheriff already can award Garber, Dragon, Rose, and Smith.

Regent and Consort are the same office, we should clean up the language to remove the word consort from the corpora save to mention that the regent may be refered to as the consort if they desire.

While I agree with you that a small group shouldn't have all but a few members be officers, I really think there should be a GMR at every park. Perhaps change the corpora to say that at the shire level you can hold the office of GMR in addition to any other office? (just a suggestion)

-Kupe
--- In The_Principality_of_Rivermoor@yahoogroups.com, David Hoopes <dhoopes@...> wrote:

That would work.

[Jolly]

Thanks for the input mono, we are shooting for a format like what you posted. Also thanks for posting Striker, however we are cleaning up the formatting and spelling not making any actual changes. That will be done in the near future.

-j

[Mono]

IMHO.... you should make your Corpora as solid as you can NOW.  Crystal Groves has run into the issue where they went forward with a Corpora that wasn't solid and they have had to make alot of changes... which are still continuing.  One of the reasons I'm just re-writing their Corpora entirely is to make it into a solid document that might be able to go a year or two without changes.

But that's just my two cents.

[HPLovecraft]

To begin with, I would like to thank the committee for their efforts.  Thank you for giving us a solid foundation to work from.


Okay, for some meat on the discussion.


First -
I would like to see the numbering system for the Corpora change from the present Number, Capital Letter, lowercase letter, number change to Number, Cap Letter, number, lowercase letter.  I believe it will be easier to use.


Second-
"1.A.d. Must have been a contributing or populace member of one of the provinces of Rivermoor for the preceding six months or must be entirely new to Amtgard."

I find this a bit restricting and harsh.  I have personally come back into the group after a break and been elected to office in a shorter time this is listed here.  I understand that the framers of Corpora want to help ensure active participation from the players but again, i feel this is too restrictive.


Third-
Section 1.C should be folded in section 1.A


Fourth -
"2.B.a. If you travel more than 200 miles (one way) you can get one extra credit for a single day event. As with everything else in this section this is limited by 2.B.f."

This needs better wording.  I'll post a suggestion in the near future


Fifth-
"5.B.a.5. At the beginning of the reign, the Rivermoor Monarch will schedule and preside
over a meeting of provincial leaders to schedule corpora required and other kingdom level events. Provincial monarchs must be in attendance or send a representative to said meeting."

I would like to see a rewording of this.  It is important for the Monarchs of the park to take part in this but it is not required.  It is possible that the Kingdom Level Monarch can make these arrangements without those representatives.  This is not a major point with me, just a suggestion


Sixth-
"5.C.a.2. Shall be responsible for the Mid-Reign and Crown/Coronation Feast."

Remove the requirement of a Mid-reign feast.  This should be up the individual Monarchs to decide/arrange


Seventh
"5.C.b.2.2. Shall run at least four A&S events in their Duchy, not counting A&S Crown Qualifications. These events can be, but are not limited to: Dragonmaster, A&S collegiums, garb parties, or other instructional classes."

I would like to see the RM Corpora require the Weaponmaster/Dragonmaster a Corpora require event for any group from Barony level or higher.  We currently use the ability to run this event as a standard of whether a Shire is ready to grow to the next level.  And i believe in the value it provided to both fighters and artists that want to test their skill level.  If this idea passes, please, adjust this section for the Regent's duties requirements to reflect those changes.


Eighth
"5.D.a.2.2. Must receive a minimum 3.0 score in at least three categories in the A&S portion of the Crown Tournament."

It is believed that this is part of Award Standardization but it is not.  It was an interpretation of those standards and is not required.  It should be removed.


Ninth
"5.E.a.8. Should the Prime Minister descend from office a new one will be elected as soon as possible (within a month). During the interim, the GMR will take over pro-tem duties of the PM."

This should be modified to reflect that the Monarch of any level will take over the duties of a Prime Minster, not the GMR.  If an employee doesn't show up for work, someone higher in the chain of command is responsible for their duties, not someone lower.  According to the Order of Precedence estiblished later in this document, the GMR is lower.


Tenth
Section 10 - IKRC

I believe the IKRC no longer exists.  The over points are correct, just clean up the name.


Eleventh
"5.I.c.2. As directed by the Rivermoor Monarch."

It appears by this statement that if the RM Monarchs appoints someone than that individuals could out rank a sitting Monarch at the provincial level.  If I, as RM Monarch, didn't like the incoming Baron, I could appoint someone to run the Barony that I do like.  I don't believe that is the intent of this line of the Corpora but I would like to see this clarified to avoid this from happening


Twelfth
"6.B.d. The King/Queen should have the Circle of Knights? approval by a simple, open ballot plurality vote for approval to Knight a club member. The monarch is not under obligation to knight any of the candidates presented by the circle of Knights, nor may he/she knight anyone not presented as a candidate by the circle."

The RM Monarch should have the only authority to make this decision.  This section is arranged to only allow those that the Circle approve of to be Knighted but that then limits the power of the Monarch.  It is possible that the Monarch can/should Knight someone that is worthy that the Circle doesn't approve of.    Such limitations have cause Kingdoms in Amtgard to lose their contract.  THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE CORPORA.


Thirdteeth
"7.A.b.2. There shall be two Kingdom Althings scheduled per reign.
7.A.b.2.1. The first Althing of a reign shall be held before Midreign when the new PM steps up.
7.A.b.2.2. The second Althing of a reign shall be held after the Kingdom Midreign and before the next King/Queen steps up."

Two issues here.  First, is it necessary to list the requirements to have to Allthings based on the elections of Officers that we know we must elect fromother parts of the Corpora?  May change this to reflect that paid members can offer topics for this Allthings

Secondly, is the wording off for 7.A.b.2.1?  Should there be a comma there?


Fourteenth
"7.C Emergency Kingdom Althing Procedures"

I believe this whole section needs to be reworked.  Example:  The Kingdom GMR has a say in whether a topic can be on the ballot but no where in the Corpora does it say that the Kingdon GMR needs to be Corpora Qualified.


Fifteenth



I'll edit this with more later.

Yoto/Mike

[Oderic]

Thank you for your comments.  I would like to make one suggestion to you...a signature to your post.  While I can guess at your identity, other folks may not be able to.   

regarding your 12th comment:  First, your statement that things like this have caused Kingdoms to loose their contracts is, in my opinion, too much hyperbole. 
     This section received quite a bit of discussion.  I put forth the suggestion that we should phrase this in such a way that removes the Monarch from the decision completly.  This is how the Wetlands corpora handles the subject (see section 7.2.2.1 of the Wetlands corpora) .  There were others in favor of keeping the wording from the IM corpora which gives all the power to the Monarch.  The wording as it is now was the compromise that the comittee reached and mirrors the way other Kingdoms handle things.  The monarch can still choose to Knight someone or not.  What they can NOT do however is circumvent the Circle of Knights and elevate someone against the will of the CoK.  I think this is an important step in maintaining the integrity of the Knights we might someday make as a new Kingdom.

Oderic

    EDIT:  I should add to clarify that I went back to look at the WL corpora and it does include the caveat that the Monarch can veto any decision of the CoK to Knight someone.  So it has the same intent as the wording in our proposed Corpora

[Mono]

5.C.a.5. Is indented once to far.